Do some black Christians
APPEAR more loyal to their
ethnicity than Christ and His
Garry WatsonAre they mutually exclusive?
Shawn Rideau-ScottUh, yeah! It’s called idolatry…this was exposed with the unchecked, evil reign of Barack Obama…
Sean Isaacs replied · 11 Replies
Ose Burnett It’s definitely idolatry. Period.
Shawn Rideau-Scott Jorse Barns, I am FREE to believe how I choose, just as you are free not to. #moveon
Jorse Barns Shawn Rideau-Scott you are free of course. but when your beliefs and idealism hold back progress for all humans – then you have my attention. some people still believe earth is flat!! should we allow them to spread their thoughts?some people think hate is great — should we allow them to spread their hate?your beliefs are magical – life is real – part take in it – enjoy life instead of professing to other people are how great the after-life could be if if if if if if if ……use your freedom to exercise critial thinking.
Shawn Rideau-Scott Jorse Barns , again I am FREE to believe what I believe AND profess what I believe. If you choose not to, then do you! I didn’t ask for nor welcome your opinion(s).✌
Sean Isaacs Jorse Barns not sure who you were responding to. Just seeking understanding.
Sean Isaacs Btw my comment was about your kookaid point.
Sean Isaacs Jorse Barns got it. Thanks.
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Tracy-Ann Valentine Sean Isaacs I did a Personality Type Test that describes my personality type precisely.
ISFJ-A…. see summary attached. You know me well enough to also know that I am less reactive and more analytical…😊
I say that to say, at times, at first glance, we may not be readily receptive to be made “uncomfortable” when pointed, thought-provoking, seemingly unnecessary questions or issues are being raised. However, because of my nature ….being very similar to yours, in some respects, plus with time, wisdom and emotional & spiritual maturity, I am able to take a step back, take reactive *emotion* out of the equation, evaluate and analyze the question and determine, the necessity (unfortunate though that is), of such pointed/thought-provoking question. Unfortunate also, is how some people response was based more on a more narrow perception of what is a wide-scale issue; which is respectfully appreciated on these very sensitive topics. However, like you stated in your general address to all below, shines a light on the very topic of your post.
I am more Spiritual than Religious. I am a Christian with a personal relationship with Christ, first and foremost….. don’t care as much about *Religion*, in the context of how it’s being portrayed generally. In the same breath, I am Black woman, that first and foremost, identify with the Human Race (regardless of ethnicity)…..
I love my race, I am proud to be who I am, but I love God first, and people more! (Once again…. regardless of Race)……. yet, I am no different than any Black woman, man or child, who have suffered being treated unjustly, in certain situations, by authority figures, because of the color (*colour*…staying true to my British English) ….of my skin.
Yet, that does not define me! That does not determine that my allegiance to my skin color comes before the very person who created that skin tone.
So….. yes, I see why you would ponder such.
Sean Isaacs Tracy-Ann Valentine Well said sis. So much great insight and wisdom found in your words. I hope Manny will take it to heart. I know you were very passionate about your roots, and praise God for your history. Yet you understand my point. Thanks for playing along: 🙂
Emmanuel DavisNo more than some White Christians are toAmerica. I’ve seen many churches with American flags in the sanctuary and even saying the Pledge of Allegiance (during VBS).
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Neil Robinson Hello!
Kimmie Robinson Well Paul did have a passion for his people…i love my black people….but it does not take away the love i have for other races.
Kirk Martin Why should there be either or?
Aida GonzalezI think the danger with some of these posts is that it can be race-baiting and divisive. It agitates your ‘All Lives Matter’ contingency to wonder silently or aloud why black people cant just take race out of the picture. And if you don’t get why race is still a big topic of discussion, then you simply don’t want to get it because you don’t feel like it’s your problem. It doesn’t affect you so.., 🤷🏽♀️. The black community has so many needs in order to compete equitably on a global scale. And idolatry doesn’t come to mind when black Christians are expressive about their pride in and support of a historically marginalized US group. Maybe your next post should pose the question ‘ why is it so hard for non-black American Christians to empathize with the plight and testimonies of their black brothers and sisters?
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Gina Mortimer Storr Here’s is why….
Ose Burnett Yes. Absolutely. Many have made their ethnicity greater than god. It’s an Idol. And repentance is needed. Acknowledgment is also needed in order to repent. I am glad that I was born to the family I was born into, and I’m not ashamed to be African (Nigerian)- American. But in the KINGDOM we don’t worship our color, country or race. We have a KING and it surpasses my ethnicity. Thank God for the blood of Jesus that washed the barrier of ethnicity Away! I have brothers and sisters of all races. It’s absolutely beautiful!
Gina Mortimer Storr Shared this above in response to a comment but want to share here as well, something I heard during a discussion about Christianity and white supremacy and think this sums it up well…. and explains why so many who profess Christ are still so hateful and racist at the same time…. Black folk are no different when it comes to loving our race except we don’t use religion to assert privilege….
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Sean Isaacs Frank Runiak Can’t argue with the word of God.
Ose Burnett LOVE!!! Now that’s a biblical answer from the Word that we can’t argue with. Grateful for this answer, especially in the day and age that we are living in.
Neil Robinson Great response Ose. However we can’t just simplify all things by just lumping it under sin. It’s irresponspible & lazy. That ia one of the major problems I’m having with western & new thought Christianity. We can just diminish, devalue & ignore real issues by saying oh it’s sin. Love is the key, need to get saved whatever without coming up with real active solutions. Like when people have legitmate mental issues folk want to throw scriptures at it. Like really come on let’s not be so spiritual that we are no longer earthly good.
Sean Isaacs By the way I used the word APPEAR, to leave room that I don’t know the heart of any child of God. So I wouldn’t stand as an authority over anyone to say that they are more loyal to their ETHNIC GROUP than to Christ. That’s the reason for APPEAR being in caps. But those who are guilty, may the Holy Spirit be the revealer Of hearts.
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Kirk Martin Black Christians and Black people in general are always admonished and chastised, because we are an easy target. This speaks to the POWER dynamic in society. As it relates to American Christianity, you won’t hear much about White’s vile history as a group and how this racial division even started and maintained to this day. Nope you won’t hear anything about that at all. Its just “Blacks are worshipping this idol of race”. When #1 Blacks didn’t even create the concept of RACE. #2 Blacks never created, nor had the POWER to forge this division. #3 Contrary to popular belief, Black People (including Christians) have been the most forgiving and submissive to people of other ethnicities than any other group. We know this to be the truth.
Neil Robinson Y’all stop lighting it up like this here. In many people’s mind their is no room, tolerance for logic, critical thinking when it comes to religion & reality. You are exactly right Kirk Martin. We didn’t create it. We are historically the most forgiving & submissive people. Thus why Christianity & many of it’s tenants work “well” within the confines of the institutional church. The minute we want to feel good about ourselves, notice injustice done to us. Its oh shut up put in the Lord’s hand. Mannnnn I sure wish other races would have practice the same. We’d be better off, seen as equals & not had such an list long of injustice done to us.
Neil Robinson Rick I don’t think you want to use that 1st scripture as a foundation to support race, gender as not being relevant in the faith. This where I have said time & time again. That scripture context is not found in that verse but it’s several verses. The gist of that text is talking about faith. This is one the things that really I mean really irks me about Christians sometimes be it in error others ignorance. We like to play smorgasbord or fast & loose with the text. If the idea is to be taken literally there is not jew, greek, free, slave, male, female etc. Then we must apply it to the male, female part also. Not pick & choose literal portions of a text to support our positions. Therefore this is where the slippery slope comes in. How can we therefore condemn same sex unions whatever seeing as there is no male or female? Now we both know that marriage without a doubt holy consist of male female but I hope you get my point.
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Neil Robinson Rick Silvera Initially I’m going to say individual but let me mull over it a bit…..
Kirk Martin This is hilarious. Abortion, Black on black crime… lol. Ok, please show me where ALL white people are being blamed for the SYSTEM of white supremacy? Where ALL white people are being blamed for slavery & jim crow? The focus revolves around a system of racial injustice, those who aggressively & passively agrees with it. And attacks the VICTIMS of this injustice, with guilt. What side do you fall on justice or injustice, especially as a professed Christian?
Neil Robinson Exactly why is the victim always the blame especially when it comes to us. Officer kills black male……..response in many cases. Hey but black men are killing black men in Chicago. No kidding we know that & we acknowledge it is wrong. I say a black man that unjustly kills another black should receive a harsher judgment than guilty white cops killing black men. But what kind of response is that to dealing specifically with one issue talking about another. We don’t tell white people facing an heroin crisis in their community to focus on another issue. The problem simply put is because we are speaking out. A silent negro has always been a “good boy”.
Rick Silvera Kirk Martin Read your statements man! What distinction have you made between the few white people who kept slaves and made those laws, the white people who fought them and the majority of White people who were just living life in the midst of the craziness?
Kevin M. Oliver In a nutshell, I resent having to explain to white people or anyone else, why I as a Christian, appreciate Black History Month, enjoy visiting Africa and learning about its various cultures, like some of the things Louis Farrakhan says, advocate for the strengthening of Black families, and support certain civil rights efforts. White Christians aren’t asked to explain anything they do. Further, none of these things are in conflict with essential biblical doctrine. It’s only an issue because black people are doing something other people think they shouldn’t be doing.
Sean Isaacs replied · 1 Reply
Eugene Williams Being more loyal to one’s ethnicity than to Christ and His Gospel is an age old condition that is not just unique to black folks…Trump supporters are proof of that
Eugene Williams Why do Black folks continually ask Black folks to do things that they don’t ask white folks to do?
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Sean Isaacs Eugene Williams good question. I answered that above. I hit send by mistake before I was done 🙂.
I ask blacks because I am black. And I have been witnessing lots of black loyalty that is dividing itself from other Christian brethren – this is sin!
To your question about asking the same question to White’s or over ethnic groups. Our society is so sensitive and easily offended, I suspect some may reject my question because I am not part of their ethnic group.
But you are correct. Many White Americans worship America, Military, the Constitution etc. and put these before loving people and Christ.
But the simple answer as to why BLACKS is. I feel a unique responsibility to the black community.
Like, Paul, I have a special burden for my KINSMEN. I don’t think blacks will hear it from another race any way. Everything now is interpreted racist. If a white Christian posted the same question, I can’t imagine what the responses would be.
Here is my example:
Roma. 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my KINSMEN according to the flesh:
Kinsmen – a person of the same nationality or ethnic group.
Peter Wilkinson Thiele The Gospel was meant for a sinful mankind. The perversion of The Good News was immediate as Paul wrote extensively. Satan told Adam and Eve that they would be like God if they ate from the tree. This lie is underlying all sin…
Kirk Martin I’m seeing this often. The burden of Black Christians to hold the Black community accountable for their misguided or wicked deeds. There are ministries and inner city programs across America designed to address Black Fatherless households, Drug Abuse, Gun Violence…etc….. MY QUESTION: Where are the White Christians who have taken the burden of admonishing their White brothers and sisters about the issues of their community?…. Black people are always talked down to and are expected to have this Moral High Ground above everyone else. And even in the face of racial injustice, we are again criticized for causing division just by demanding JUSTICE and calling out unrighteousness…. So my conclusion is: If we can’t get justice in clear cases of injustice against us. If we are not accepted as equals socially, even when we have made provisions to assimilate with in this culture. If we are told by the likes of John McAuthur “Racism is a non issue”. Then its best that we separate, and be concerned with the matters which affects us as a community, with out the help of any other group. See what people refuse to accept is that, this BODY OF CHRIST (as it relates to the American Chuch) is a microcosm of society. So just as secular society is segregated and redlined, so is the Church! But of course, this is ALL the doing of BLACK FOLK! smh
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Sean Jermaine Do some christians appear to be more loyal to patriotism than to Christ? Great dialogue Sean Isaacs. I feel in some circles we forget our blackness where Christ is not asking us to.
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